Session Start: Tue Jun 14 00:00:00 2016 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
[00:00] * Set by jacky on Tue Mar 02 18:03:23
[05:01]<Quantos> Why do people still not understand that software needs to be written to properly make use of HT?
[05:02]<@BC_Programming> or multicore for that matter
[06:00]<@BC_Programming> great discussion
[06:19]<Quantos> Then lostcoast pipes up and says I'm wrong, because task manager shows them all working....
[06:19]<Quantos> Even dead cylinders on an engine will turn...
[06:22]<Quantos> I'm tearing down my old mac G3 to clean it out and try to put some quieter parts in
[06:22]<Quantos> It hasn't been cleaned in about 10 years
[06:22]<Quantos> Surprisingly little dust in it
[06:23]<@BC_Programming> Task manager shows them all working... wat
[06:23]<@BC_Programming> And how long has the G3 been on in the last 10 years :P They don't suck in dust so much if off
[06:24]<Quantos> It's been on pretty consistently, I repurposed it as a decorative picture frame about 5 years ago
[06:24]<Quantos> I just notice that it is getting louder as time goes by
[06:25]<Quantos> LMAO
[06:25]<Quantos> Had to reread that bit about the dust
[06:26]<@BC_Programming> the war on dust cakes is neverending soldier
[06:26]<@BC_Programming> You must take this pledge to combat dust
[06:26]<@BC_Programming> lemon scented pledge
[06:26]<Quantos> I'll bet that works great on the motherboard...
[06:26]<Quantos> Keep it shiny at least
[06:27]<Quantos> How about armor all?
[06:27]<@BC_Programming> that's for cars, if you put on a computer you'll have to sit on it to keep it from driving around
[06:27]<Quantos> LOL
[06:27]<Quantos> That would make an interesting video
[06:28]<@BC_Programming> it's just common sense
[06:28]<Quantos> Did you know that they built this G3 with a Faraday cage
[06:29]<Quantos> I wonder if they were especially susceptive to EMI
[06:30]<@BC_Programming> put the motherboard in the microwave and find out
[06:31]<Quantos> Hehehhe, that won't cause any damage to the caps eh?
[06:31]<@BC_Programming> no, just keep your hats in your closet and they'll be fine
[06:31]<Quantos> I'll just snip those off first
[06:32]<Quantos> Glue em back on when I'm done
[06:33]<Quantos> Whoops, just realized why the mobo looks so clean
[06:33]<Quantos> I've got the damned thing upside down right now
[06:33]<Quantos> LOL
[06:33] * Quantos feels like a fool
[06:33]<@BC_Programming> "This motherboard has very few components, in fact, it seems to just be full of small metal spikes"
[06:34]<Quantos> No, that's the surprising thing, the bottom looks the top of a board
[06:34]<Quantos> I took a pic, let me host and post for you
[06:35]<@BC_Programming> Components on the bottom? That's unnatural, like fruit on the bottom yogurt.
[06:36]<@BC_Programming> some sick, twisted individual came up with that one. "Let's fill these yogurts, but put the fruit parts by themselves on the bottom and not stir them, even though we have automated this entire process and could easily do that"... bastard
[06:36]<Quantos> http://imgur.com/E8cg7PT
[06:36]<Quantos> Pardon the focus
[06:36]<Quantos> My medication makes me shake sometimes
[06:37]<@BC_Programming> huh for some reason I was thinking of the G5 tower
[06:38]<Quantos> Those were a bit easier to work on I think
[06:38]<@BC_Programming> I've been trying to find one of those iMacs on eBay but I'm not paying $200+ for one
[06:38]<Quantos> I got this one for $50 with keyboard, mouse and OS
[06:38]<Quantos> The guy even had the original box for it
[06:39]<@BC_Programming> cheapest one I see now is 79.99$ with all the fixings which I'd probably go for
[06:39]<Quantos> G3 or G5?
[06:40]<@BC_Programming> G3 iMac
[06:40]<Quantos> What color?
[06:40]<@BC_Programming> shipping doubles that though which is probably realistic
[06:40]<Quantos> I think it's the blue ones that are rarest
[06:40]<@BC_Programming> I think it's blue
[06:40]<@BC_Programming> hard to tell
[06:40]<Quantos> The greenish blue is pretty common
[06:41]<@BC_Programming> oh hmm it's in original box as well
[06:41]<Quantos> Wow, I wonder if that does anything to the value for collectors
[06:42]<@BC_Programming> well it is the cheapest one listed, by itself others are being listed at 300+100 shipping
[06:42]<Quantos> That's ridiculous
[06:42]<Quantos> They need to get off the crack pipe
[06:43]<@BC_Programming> IBM 5150 goes for $266.21+$140
[06:43]<@BC_Programming> I like how it's listed as "Working?"
[06:43]<@BC_Programming> No monitor either come on people
[06:43]<Quantos> LMAO
[06:43]<Quantos> Useless without the mon
[06:44]<@BC_Programming> unless you get an 8-bit VGA card and those aren't easy to come by
[06:44]<@BC_Programming> ok well they are 20 bucks on eBay too I guess but you know the principle of the thing and such
[06:45]<Quantos> yeap, sure do
[06:46]<Quantos> I'm really scared of the capacitors on this thing, they are huge
[06:46]<Quantos> I bet they pack a wallop
[06:48]<@BC_Programming> 386 Tower PC with 8MB Ram. $300 dammit collectors
[06:48]<Quantos> Idiots to pay that
[06:49]<@BC_Programming> k6-2 Processor is 70 dollars WTF
[06:49]<@BC_Programming> I got my Quad Core Extreme for like 7 bucks
[06:49]<Quantos> LMAO
[06:49]<Quantos> Hey, the drive in this is EIDE, I thought it might be one of those SCSI
[06:50]<Quantos> I think I have a quieter drive somewhere
[06:50]<@BC_Programming> Quantum Fireball I think is what they came with?
[06:50]<@BC_Programming> I have no idea where I would have picked up that tidbit if so
[06:50]<Quantos> Trying to read it
[06:50]<@BC_Programming> Fireball was certainly a poor naming choice for an electronic component
[06:52]<Quantos> I think they torqued the HDD screws in, I'm having a hell of a time getting them out
[06:53]<@BC_Programming> ooh a 1625CDT Satellite Laptop, though ~100 hmm
[06:54]<Quantos> It's a Maxtor
[06:54]<Quantos> DiamondMax Plus
[06:54]<@BC_Programming> yeah uh, that was what I meant to say of course
[06:54]<Quantos> 40GB 7200
[06:55]<@BC_Programming> reasonable
[06:55]<@BC_Programming> For Mac OS 8.6/9 that's quite decent actually
[06:55]<Quantos> I'm not sure which OS it has, I can't recall
[06:56]<@BC_Programming> iirc they could support the early OSX versions but I'm not sure
[06:56]<Quantos> The disks say PPC 10.4
[06:56]<@BC_Programming> Personally I'd say the system is best for the "Classic" OS for the most part, it's like running Win95 on a 386 in some ways
[06:56]<Quantos> Yeah, exactly
[06:58]<Quantos> Not bad, this one has a full 1GB of RAM
[06:59]<Quantos> 2x512
[06:59]<@BC_Programming> cool, I think that might be the max? sounds about right for the time period
[07:00]<Quantos> Yeah, it says that it came with 1x256, so it's been upgraded
[07:00]<Quantos> That means the maxtor HDD may not be original too
[07:00]<@BC_Programming> ahh
[07:01]<@BC_Programming> that would explain the quantum fireball thing, as from what I can find that is stated as the original HDD for the iMac G3
[07:02]<Quantos> I think my first 486 had a Quantum Fireball in it, I think it was a 170MB
[07:02]<@BC_Programming> I have two Quantum Prodrive's or something that are 50MB each
[07:02]<Quantos> Nice
[07:02]<@BC_Programming> one is marked Dud for some reason but works fine...
[07:03]<Quantos> Hey, what happened to Maxtor, Connor and Quantum?
[07:03]<@BC_Programming> I looked at them a few months ago in my enclosure and it still has the same files as before
[07:03]<@BC_Programming> Maxtor was purchased by Seagate I believe
[07:03]<@BC_Programming> So was Connor Peripherals
[07:04]<Quantos> I think I still have an old Connor tape drive around here somewhere
[07:04]<Quantos> I don't rememeber it it's an 80 or not
[07:05]<Quantos> I think it's probably just a 20
[07:05]<@BC_Programming> ahh- Quantum merged with maxtor in 2001, and Maxtor was bought by Seagate so they all are seagate now I suppose
[07:05]<Quantos> Ahh
[07:05]<Quantos> Interesting how that all works
[07:05]<@BC_Programming> interesting how Western Digital didn't buy any of them
[07:06]<Quantos> Yeah
[07:07]<@BC_Programming> apparently WD ended up with IBM's HDD stuff, since they bought HGST which had been spun off from Toshiba which had bought the HDD division from IBM from what I can tell
[07:08]<@BC_Programming> and WD making hard disks to begin with was only after they bought tandon in 1988
[07:08]<@BC_Programming> interesting stuff
[07:10]<Quantos> Hey, aren't computers supposed to be self maintaining and upgrading by now?
[07:11]<@BC_Programming> "Computer, create an opponent that can beat Data"
[07:11]<Quantos> LOL, good reference
[07:14]<Quantos> Well, this thing isn't disassembling or cleaning itself, as much as I wish it would
[07:14]<Quantos> I guess I'd best quit avoiding it and get back to i
[07:14]<Quantos> i=it
[07:14]<@BC_Programming> If it helps now you've got me on ebay
[07:14]<Quantos> Ich tu der weh
[07:14]<Quantos> I cause thee woe
[07:15]<Quantos> That should be apples motto
[07:16]<Quantos> LOL, part of apples marketing I guess
[07:16]<Quantos> It says that the computer comes with a new mouse...
[07:16]<Quantos> I'd hate to spend all that money and get a used one with it
[07:17]<@BC_Programming> or even worse a guinea pig or rat
[07:17]<Quantos> Well, guinea pigs are kind of fun
[07:19]<@BC_Programming> Apple IIe for 95 dollars
[07:19]<@BC_Programming> dammit of course they have a picture with a monitor and then say "Monitor not included" what a tease
[07:30]<@BC_Programming> why is a TRS-80 going for over 150 dollars, wtf is wrong with people
[07:32]<Quantos> Umm, what's a CRT discharge tool?
[07:32]<Quantos> Maybe I'll just trick my roomy into discharging it for me
[07:32]<@BC_Programming> insulated screwdriver touching the Anode to the grounded case, I think?
[07:32]<@BC_Programming> I think there is a special tool for that too
[07:33]<Quantos> I don't plan on doing anything with that part of the pc so I should be okay
[07:33]<@BC_Programming> yeah unless you are tinkering near the crt power board I don't think that should matter
[07:34]<@BC_Programming> just don't go "Oh boy my hands are soaking wet, I'll go ahead and poke around the crt power board"
[07:35]<Quantos> Can't be worse than an automotive celonoid
[07:35]<Quantos> Spelling?
[07:35]<@BC_Programming> selenoid?
[07:36]<Quantos> I'm too lazy to google it
[07:36]<@BC_Programming> yeah thinking about it I've only heard it and not seen it as I recall
[07:36]<Quantos> solenoid
[07:37]<Quantos> Too lazy to type, then I remembered I could talk to my phone
[07:37]<@BC_Programming> I very nearly bought a new keyboard today
[07:38]<@BC_Programming> fancy Corsair K70 RGB thing
[07:38]<Quantos> I had bought one of the logitech cordless
[07:38]<Quantos> It was an mk 550 kit with a mouse
[07:38]<Quantos> I sold the kit - I couldn't get the hang of typing on it
[07:38]<Quantos> They keys were really stiff
[07:38]<Quantos> Oh, RGB, that has the rainbow backlight right?
[07:39]<@BC_Programming> yeah- well you can customize each key's colors and program it I think
[07:39]<Quantos> Mechanical?
[07:39]<@BC_Programming> Cherry switches
[07:39]<Quantos> Nice, how much?
[07:40]<@BC_Programming> little over $200
[07:40]<@BC_Programming> though I have ten times that going "spend me plz"
[07:40]<Quantos> You aren't much of a gamer though are you?
[07:41]<@BC_Programming> that is why I'd go for the MX Brown variant
[07:41]<Quantos> You can get i7 6850k for that
[07:41]<@BC_Programming> yeah but a 6850 would not install in my motherboard
[07:41]<Quantos> The 2K I mean
[07:41]<@BC_Programming> heh
[07:41]<Quantos> Not the $200
[07:42]<Quantos> No, it wouldn't, you'd have to solder on more pins...
[07:42]<@BC_Programming> my current keyboard cost about the same
[07:42]<@BC_Programming> and I've bought two of them
[07:42]<Quantos> Are they mechanical?
[07:42]<Quantos> Why are they wearing out so fast?
[07:42]<@BC_Programming> Unicomp Model M
[07:42]<@BC_Programming> they aren't wearing out, they are designed by idiots and put together by morons
[07:43]<@BC_Programming> but they are the only company that can use buckling spring
[07:43]<Quantos> Oh, so my cousin did a get job then...
[07:43]<Quantos> Oh interesting
[07:43]<@BC_Programming> the cable has literally zero strain relief, so my first one started disconnecting and reconnecting randomly unless I had the cord in just the right place
[07:44]<Quantos> That's unreal
[07:44]<@BC_Programming> then it disconnected and I couldn't get it to work again, so I managed to take it apart despite the faceless screws, and found that there was zero strain relief
[07:45]<@BC_Programming> at that point I figure I can get a new usb wire/connector wire to get it working, managed to get that sent to me for free as part of the other order
[07:45]<@BC_Programming> did jack diddly
[07:45]<@BC_Programming> insides are completely unmaintainable and held together with melted plastic bits.
[07:46]<Quantos> I gotta let the puppy out, back in a jiffy
[07:46]<@BC_Programming> to be fair I sort of fixed it... my old keyboard connects now but only a few random keys actually work
[07:49]<@BC_Programming> anyway I've found my replacement occasionally doing the same thing despite my efforts to avoid strain on the cable, random disconnects and reconnects, and I think it may be time to jump off the buckling spring train
[08:01]<Quantos> I live with FUCKING morons
[08:01]<Quantos> Lets leave a meat package where the dog can get it
[08:02]<@BC_Programming> meat package what
[08:03]<@BC_Programming> like grocery store packaged meat?
[08:06]<Quantos> Yeah, she ate half the styrofoam tray
[08:06]<Quantos> I can see a trip to the vet
[08:28]<Quantos> Well, I got it into pieces
[08:28]<Quantos> I can't find a fan to clean
[08:28]<@BC_Programming> oh, I thought you meant the dog
[08:28]<Quantos> No idea what's making the noise, could be sinusoidal coil whine
[08:29]<Quantos> I wish I had another system to test the HDD on
[08:30]<Quantos> I have IDE rigs and SATA rigs, this is my only EIDE rig
[08:30]<@BC_Programming> IDE is EIDE
[08:30]<Quantos> No, it isn't
[08:31]<Quantos> I mean OLD IDE, pre EIDE days
[08:31]<@BC_Programming> ATA-1?
[08:32]<@BC_Programming> EIDE was the name used for ATA-2 for a while, as that is what WD called it originally to make it sound cool
[08:32]<Quantos> http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-ide-and-eide/
[08:32]<Quantos> ATA 1
[08:33]<Quantos> EIDE is ATA 2
[08:33]<Quantos> Oh, you did say ATA 1
[08:33]<Quantos> You're a pretty smart cookie
[08:33]<@BC_Programming> so you have really old systems and really new systems is what you mean?
[08:34]<@BC_Programming> but nothing with ATA-2 through 6? wacky
[08:34]<Quantos> Yeah, not much in between
[08:34]<Quantos> I think I might be able to use my roommates old computer, it might do the trick
[08:34]<@BC_Programming> oh you mean to connect the drive and see what's on it?
[08:36]<Quantos> I know what's on it, I'm wanting to know if that's what was making that gawdawful sound
[08:36]<@BC_Programming> Ahh- should be able to tell by only powering it up no?
[08:36]<Quantos> I found a hybrid of SATA 1 and EIDE
[08:36]<@BC_Programming> new systems usually have a Molex
[08:37]<@BC_Programming> I don't don't know why but they do for some reason
[08:37]<Quantos> I thought there would be fans making noise that I'd be trying to hear above
[08:37]<Quantos> I didn't realize these units were fanless
[08:38]<Quantos> Hey, how did SCSI fit into the picture, was it also ATA 2?
[08:38]<Quantos> Or was it considered early Serial?
[08:39]<@BC_Programming> no it was SCSI, separate thing.. I guess kind of like an Early USB in some ways since it could connect all sorts of shit
[08:39]<Quantos> Interesting
[08:40]<Quantos> I never had any SCSI gear, the performance gain wasn't there for the price difference
[08:40]<@BC_Programming> as I recall you had one end connect to the PC and would daisy chain out from there to connect as many SCSI devices as you wanted, then stuck a terminator on the end
[08:41]<Quantos> Yeah, it was six or seven devices wasn't it?
[08:41]<@BC_Programming> yeah there was some limit I'm sure
[08:41]<Quantos> I read a bit about it here and there, but that's about it
[08:41]<@BC_Programming> oh well damn, apparently it was 96 devices
[08:41]<Quantos> Well, I could try powering it up without the drive in it and see if it makes the noise
[08:42]<Quantos> There's like 5 or 6 coils on the thing
[08:42]<@BC_Programming> ahh there you go, Holmes
[08:42]<Quantos> So it could be coil whine, if that's the case I'm stumped
[08:42]<Quantos> Oh, and more coils on top where the CRT is, didn't count those
[08:43]<@BC_Programming> Well I've given up on finding some gadgetry to buy, old stuff is expensive and I can't convince myself on the Corsair keyboard
[08:45]<Quantos> Get a case of air, that's always handy
[08:45]<Quantos> Some thermal paste for when you need it
[08:46]<@BC_Programming> Actually I have Arctic Silver 5 still that I bought for my build in 2008
[08:46]<Quantos> Wow, the top part sure cleaned up nice
[08:46]<Quantos> I don't think it goes bad though BC
[08:47]<Quantos> I have some Noctua from 2010 that I'm still using
[08:47]<Quantos> It's a bit thicker than it used to be
[08:47]<Quantos> But still seems to do the task
[08:48]<@BC_Programming> Yes no intentions of replacing the AS5, still does the job when I need paste
[08:48]<Quantos> I've heard that they have something made with industrial diamonds in it now
[08:49]<@BC_Programming> I could probably sell my encyclopedias and world book yearbooks for a good sum, they seem to go for around $300 or so
[08:49]<Quantos> Hmmm, I have an old encyclopedia Britanica
[08:49]<@BC_Programming> 1960 edition of the A-Z reference, and each yearbook from 1962 through to 1990
[08:50]<Quantos> Wow
[08:50]<Quantos> That's impressive
[08:50]<@BC_Programming> I inherited them from my great-grandmother when she died
[08:50]<Quantos> The internet is nice, but sometimes I still like looking stuff up the 'OLD' way
[08:51]<@BC_Programming> in grade school and high school I actually read them
[08:51]<Quantos> LOL, me too
[08:51]<@BC_Programming> the Computer article still cracks me up
[08:51]<Quantos> I'm going to have to look that up in thes
[08:51]<Quantos> these even
[08:54]<@BC_Programming> "some computers operate 20,000 or even 30,000 times faster than a person using a desk adding machine"
[08:55]<Quantos> Yeah, but the computer is still limited by the slow ass typer on the other end
[08:55]<@BC_Programming> "A large computer can do more than 8,000 additions or subtractions in one second. It can also solve more than 1,000 Multiplication problems or more than 500 division problems in a second"
[08:55]<Quantos> Mine won't make a calculation any faster than I can enter it
[08:56]<@BC_Programming> pretty sure it means batch processed data or programs running calculations of course
[08:56]<Quantos> Yeah
[08:56]<Quantos> I'm just being a dumbass
[08:57]<@BC_Programming> Halley's comet is set to come back in 1986, look forward to it
[08:57]<Quantos> Oh excellent
[08:58]<Quantos> I'll mark that down...
[08:59]<Quantos> When are they finally going to start work on the ISS?
[08:59]<@BC_Programming> well I'm too lazy to get another letter
[09:00]<@BC_Programming> That would probably be under NASA
[09:00]<Quantos> Is there any info on when they'll decommission the SR-71?
[09:00]<@BC_Programming> I wonder if kids today even know how to use reference stuff
[09:00]<Quantos> Nope
[09:00]<@BC_Programming> "How do you find anything? Well time to flip through random pages until I find what I want"
[09:00]<Quantos> They have a hard time using google
[09:01]<Quantos> I've never seen so many parts come out of something this tiny before
[09:01]<Quantos> The G3, NOT the puppy
[09:01]<@BC_Programming> heh
[09:02]<Quantos> They only used about 12 different screws, this is going to be fun
[09:05]<Quantos> Apparently there's a way to mount an SSD in one
[09:10]<+camerongray> Quantos: Just to clear up the HT thing - HT cores are "logical cores" - They don't exist, i.e. they aren't physical but they appear to the OS as though they are there. From the software perspective, you don't explicitly write it to take advantage of HT in particular, just multiple cores
[09:10]<Quantos> Yeah, I'd confused logical with physical
[09:10]<Quantos> Ah
[09:11]<+camerongray> All HT does is make each physical core appear to the OS as though it is two cores - This allows the CPU itself to schedule the instructions better
[09:11]<Quantos> So when software is written to use multiple cores it doesn't matter that they aren't physical?
[09:11]<+camerongray> So if it's waiting on something to happen before it can run one instruction it can run the other in the meantime rather than sitting doing nothing
[09:11]<Quantos> Yeap
[09:11]<+camerongray> Yeah, software sees it the same
[09:11]<Quantos> Okay
[09:12]<Quantos> That part I wasn't sure about
[09:12]<+camerongray> Also yeah hey Quantos & BC_Programming
[09:12]<Quantos> What I don't understand though
[09:12]<+camerongray> :P
[09:12]<+camerongray> HT is one of those things that intel push but it's not really well explained how it works
[09:12]<Quantos> We've had quad cores and ht forever, why isn't software making proper use of it?
[09:12]<+camerongray> Not everything can be parallelised basically
[09:13]<+camerongray> It's generally a very hard thing to do
[09:13]<Quantos> So it's not just lazy programmers
[09:13]<@BC_Programming> that's sort of like asking why Semi trailers still only take up one lane on a 6-lane highway
[09:13]<Quantos> I've seen one try to take up more...
[09:13]<@BC_Programming> heh
[09:14]<Quantos> I chose to drive in the ditch for a bit
[09:14]<Quantos> So how's work going Cam, I was really glad to hear about your marks
[09:15]<Quantos> I remember when you all uptight about whether you'd make it
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> I read that as Masks at first
[09:15]<Quantos> LOL
[09:15]<Quantos> Yes, he loves costume balls
[09:15]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, very happy with the marks, that was unbelievable :P
[09:15]<Quantos> I was pretty proud of you
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> Oh yeah well I graduated high school
[09:16]<Quantos> I graduated grade 6
[09:16]<Quantos> It was the best 7 years of my life
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> lol
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> So Cameron, Corsair K70 yay or nay
[09:17]<Quantos> hey, if it's possible to put a SSD in a G3 how about a standard SATA drive?
[09:18]<Quantos> Wait a minute, that looks like an EIDE SSD that he put in it, is there such a thing?
[09:18]<@BC_Programming> I've never heard of one, it could be a laptop drive, maybe?
[09:19]<+camerongray> Still haven't officially graduated yet, that's in a couple of weeks :P
[09:19]<@BC_Programming> or maybe a CompactFlash adapter? Could probably be mistaken for an SSD at the right angle
[09:20]<Quantos> Oh, turns out they are for 'special' applications and are cost prohibitive
[09:20]<Quantos> Transcend makes them
[09:20]<+camerongray> A CF card would probably work though
[09:21]<Quantos> I should hope so, the 64GB EIDE SSD is $878
[09:21]<Quantos> Unless I want a new one
[09:21]<Quantos> $1054
[09:23]<+camerongray> Work is good, currently in London for the week :P
[09:23]<Quantos> Cool
[09:24]<Quantos> What hotel did they put you up in?
[09:24]<+camerongray> Very fancy AirBnb
[09:24]<Quantos> Wow, I kind of suspected a nice one
[09:25]<Quantos> Well, I could just pick up an EIDE to SATA adapter
[09:26]<Quantos> I've never used one, is there anything I should look for as a trustworthy brand?
[09:26]<@BC_Programming> I think you'd lose out on some performance because of the different speed limits, an SSD would certainly saturate any Parallel ATA
[09:26]<@BC_Programming> though in a way that's what you would be going for I suppose
[09:27]<Quantos> I'm just looking for something a little quieter
[09:27]<Quantos> I'm not really worried about performance
[09:27]<@BC_Programming> I'd suggest the CompactFlash+adapter
[09:27]<Quantos> It's just being used as a picture frame
[09:27]<Quantos> Hmm, I'll take a look at that
[09:28]<+camerongray> When I said fancy, I meant it :P - http://imgur.com/a/zR43B
[09:28]<@BC_Programming> Actually come to think of it, a G3 is a bit new for ATA-2/EIDE specifically
[09:28]<Quantos> Wow
[09:28]<Quantos> That's nicer than what I'd googled Cam
[09:29]<Quantos> Are those solid core doors?
[09:29]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:29]<@BC_Programming> FREE ORANGES
[09:29]<+camerongray> Bollocks, forgot to grab an orange when I left this morning
[09:29]<Quantos> Wow, very nice
[09:30]<@BC_Programming> the free oranges really sell it
[09:30]<Quantos> Yeah, no kidding
[09:30]<+camerongray> I'm the first person in it, woke up to find they had forgotten to pressurise the boiler
[09:30]<Quantos> LOL
[09:30]<+camerongray> Resulting in a very tired camerongray trying to read an instruction manual
[09:30]<Quantos> That's okay, the cold shower takes care of the morning wood
[09:30]<@BC_Programming> oh wow the iBook G3 did use ATA-2 that's crazy
[09:31]<+camerongray> haha
[09:31]<Quantos> In my own defence, the voices thought that was funny
[09:31]<+camerongray> Then going on a company trip to Malaga for a few days next week. We neeed to have a meeting with everyone there and because both Edinburgh and London are so expensive it worked out cheaper to fly everyone to Malaga
[09:32]<Quantos> What country is Malaga in?
[09:32]<+camerongray> Spaib
[09:32]<+camerongray> Spain*
[09:32]<Quantos> I've not heard of it
[09:32]<Quantos> Oh, wicked
[09:32]<Quantos> Can you hire me to keep your stapler loaded?
[09:32]<+camerongray> hahaha
[09:32]<Quantos> I might be qualified to do that...
[09:33]<@BC_Programming> "Quantos, why are all these papers filled with staples" "I was testing the stapler"
[09:33]<@BC_Programming> "it works btw"
[09:33]<+camerongray> But have you been on the stapler loading training course?
[09:33]<Quantos> Help get these ones out of my fingers, it got away on me...
[09:33]<Quantos> Does it sound like it?
[09:35]<Quantos> Great, something is playing and I can't find it
[09:35]<@BC_Programming> They renamed the course because it was considered to exclusionary, it is now "Metallic Paper Connectivity safety seminar"
[09:37]<+camerongray> haha, would honestly not be surprised if that was a thing
[09:37]<Quantos> Sure, I found it, something on my VM
[09:37]<+camerongray> My friend got a bollocking in the uni library because he put more paper in the printer and he "hadn't been certifed by Xerox to do it"
[09:37]<Quantos> Well, help me get this staple out of my eye and sign me up...
[09:38]<Quantos> I can understand that, they want to make sure that you make a proper paper jam out of it
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> hmm I guess I may as well get this damned K70, I keep going to amazon and looking at it, adding it to the cart and changing my mind
[09:40]<Quantos> That's amazing - How could I have been so wrong BC
[09:40]<Quantos> I thought you were a man, not a woman...
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> heh
[09:40]<Quantos> I'm blaming that on the voices too
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> well I keep going "ahh but the Unicomp still works fine... and I don't really need a new keyboard? is it worth $240? Not really. I can afford it but um hmm maybe I shouldn't
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> then I pat myself on the back
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> not literally mind you, that would be weird
[09:41]<Quantos> You'd might as well
[09:41]<Quantos> Get the keyboard I mean, not the patting
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> may as well do something with my tax refund
[09:42]<Quantos> Why not spoil yourself
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> Yeah I mean I bought a Teamaker that was twice the price and don't use it nearly as often as I should to get value out of it
[09:43]<Quantos> A what?
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> it's pretty nifty
[09:43]<Quantos> For golf tees?
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> no, for tea
[09:43]<Quantos> Oh
[09:43] * Quantos wanders off to google that one too
[09:44]<Quantos> Oh, I have one
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> http://www.thebay.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/en/thebay/tea-maker-0128-brebtm800xl--24?site_refer=CSE_GGLPLA&gclid=Cj0KEQjw1v66BRCV-6rh6s-Biu8BEiQAelpuixcyZeHXONNSuRSJoBWeqqUvkzGPF3uX1rAo5AMzu6IaAkqI8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
[09:44]<Quantos> Didn't know that's what it was called
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> That one specifically
[09:44]<Quantos> http://www.thebay.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/en/thebay/aberdeen-tea-steeper-0274-gr-317--24?site_refer=CSE_GGLPLA&gclid=CKTwmb6dp80CFZWMaQodnlQMwA&gclsrc=aw.ds
[09:44]<Quantos> That's the one I have
[09:44]<Quantos> Oh, yours is much fancier
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> yeah it's fun to watch as well
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> it heats the water, then the basket lowers in, it steeps for the set time, then it lifts out
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> true excitement
[09:45]<Quantos> Cool
[09:45]<Quantos> OUCH, look at the price on that
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> haha yeah that's what I mean
[09:45]<Quantos> It better be entertaining
[09:46]<@BC_Programming> damn think should clean itself if you ask me
[09:46]<@BC_Programming> that's the most annoying part is getting rid of the tea leaves and clearing out the metal basket
[09:46]<Quantos> I wish I'd labelled these screws as they came out
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> living on the edge huh
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> or should I say... hanging by a thread! hahahaha
[09:47]<Quantos> Yeah, yeah that's it
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> hahaha
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> haha
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> ha
[09:48]<Quantos> Hey, I just remembered, I have a hell of a pic to show you
[09:48]<Quantos> http://imgur.com/gfQLU81
[09:48]<@BC_Programming> I told you never to share that, I was drunk
[09:49]<Quantos> Yeah, have I ever listened before?
[09:49]<Quantos> Look at that resolution
[09:51]<@BC_Programming> oh... I didn't even notice lol
[09:51]<@BC_Programming> but 10,000px × 7,345px, yeah that's something
[09:51]<Quantos> Where'd you see that, I was trying to remember what it was
[09:52]<Quantos> NVM, I found it
[09:52]<Quantos> I wasn't aware you could do that on imgur
[09:53]<@BC_Programming> well I went and order the keyboard
[09:53]<@BC_Programming> now I wish I ordered it earlier so I could get it on Friday but oh well
[09:54]<@BC_Programming> I got two 128GB flash drives, a rubik's cube, and a new monitor as well but technically I bought those yesterday
[09:55]<Quantos> I see the importance of the rubiks cube
[09:56]<Quantos> Not sure why you'd want a better monitor
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> it's a replacement for my secondary monitor which is starting to fail it seems
[09:56]<@BC_Programming> now, I COULD just use my other 1080p monitor that I use for my secondary and budget PC build but then I would never use those computers...
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> the Failing one I've had since 2008 or something so it was a good run
[09:59]<@BC_Programming> Don't plan to replace my QNIX 2560x1440 for a while yet
[10:03]<Quantos> I think a 32GB CF would do the trick for OS and a handful of pictures eh?
[10:03]<@BC_Programming> yeah that is what I tried with my thinkpad
[10:04]<Quantos> How did it work out?
[10:04]<@BC_Programming> I think the actual CF card might matter, mine had issues with swapfiles
[10:04]<@BC_Programming> Though I can't remember if I tried Linux
[10:04]<@BC_Programming> it definitely detected and installed, it just acted strange after
[10:05]<Quantos> Hmm, that's something to watch for
[10:05]<Quantos> Or maybe I'll just try and find an EIDE drive that isn't failing
[10:05]<Quantos> Tested it and it's not coil whine
[10:09]<Quantos> Or maybe I'll just hang the g3 up in the garage for a while and repurpose an old laptop as a picture frame
[10:10]<Quantos> I really like the look of the G3 on the table though
[10:10]<@BC_Programming> you can print out images and place them into frames containers as well. They don't even need power